On the 900 bus a trio of females – mother, two daughters – occupy three rows, two seats apiece. Each of them has a mobile, each with its own ringtone – George Michael’s Careless Whispers the winner in the irony stakes. The younger of the two sisters gets a call – her ringtone some generic electro racket. Hullo? She listens. Who’s this? she asks. She listens some more. Unsure but assertive, she speaks up. Who is this? Alerted, Big Sister jumps from her seat to mob-hand Wee Sister, as if her presence alone will threaten the mystery caller. It’s a scam, she says, cut them off.
Now Mother gets involved. Who is it? Don’t know, says Wee Sister, some English lassie. She tellt me her boyfriend’s gettin’ too many calls from my number. Big Sister butts in. It’s a scam so it is. I’ve had they calls. They ask you your personal details. But I never told them anything, protests Wee Sister.
I get off the bus, relieved the sunshine hasn’t disappeared. I buy a coffee at AMPM and the same thin blonde serves me. Maybe one day I’ll win her over. I sit on the metal tube bench. Nothing doing, apart from a liveried tour bus parked at the rear of the Royal Concert Hall, announcing Jackie Stewart’s latest book, Winning’s Not Enough. Tell that to the people of Glasgow as they wait to learn the outcome of the city’s bid for the 2014 Commonwealth Games. No drama today outside the bus station, so I head to the top of Buchanan Street to see what the scoop is.
Music – staccato guitar, Hank Marvin style reverberates down the canyon. Sat by the ungainly statue of Donald Dewar, now stood on a higher plinth to deter the neds, I find a pair of likely customers. Jim’s on a Fender Strat, or at least a copy of a Fender Strat, plucking his way through 60s hits. His sidekick Ricky, is got up in a fluorescent green jerkin. He’s visible enough without it. A bear, all beard, rings and gold chains, an urban pirate. He wields a video camera. I learn that Jim composed the music for a film, Betty’s Brood, made by the community in the Gorbals in the early 90s. After favourable reviews, it had a short shelf life, playing at the London Film Festival and on Channel 4. I wonder if anybody saw any money. Dumb question. I leave, dropping a couple of quid in Jim’s hat. You can find me outside Marks and Spencer’s in Argyle Street, that’s my usual pitch, Jim tells me. I say I’ll look him up.
I take the underground – inner circle – to Shields Road. On the platform I hear an English accent, a middle-aged man telling his companion, a black woman, this is what Glaswegians call the Clockwork Orange. No they don’t, I think to myself. It was a term invented by the Evening Times to induce affection for this cheap plastic refit. When the underground system was overhauled in the 70s and 80s, the people of Glasgow mourned the loss of the second oldest underground system in the UK; its wood and bevelled glass and leather seating. For five years I took the subway five days a week during my school years at Hillhead High in the West End. Govan Cross to Kelvinbridge.
These days the trains aren’t orange, they’re painted in a maroon and cream two-tone, with the odd carriage sporting puffs for the Commonwealth Games bid, like it’s in the bag. I wonder whether the citizens equate all this PR with the inevitable rise in council tax, a rate currently higher than in the capital.
At Shields Road the sun is already slipping. Looking eastwards up Scotland Street is Tradeston and the city centre. Looking west is Kinning Park, where I spent the first seven years of my life in an archetypal slum – a third storey room and kitchen at 13 Sleads Street: cold water, no toilet, let alone a bath, coal bunker on the landing, gas lighting, men with rickets on the street. More 30s than 60s.
Across the street is the red brick façade of Howden’s Engineering Works. For a time in the late 60s, my mother worked here beside her mother, employed as a cook in the work’s canteen. Even in those days the work was contracted out to a firm, Vendepac. I have a memory of visiting the works when it was still a viable engineering company. Now it lies vacant, ripe for redevelopment. I take a few pictures but I’m not inspired. Peel-off signage – Tiger Developments – is tacked to the blocked-off windows. I wonder what’s in store for such an odd collection of buildings, stuck as they are in a no man’s land of light industrial units, in what once was a bustling residential district: rows of tenements, shops, bars and – bizarrely – a sailmaker’s premises, a place that intrigued me as I waited for the trolleybus that every Sunday would transport me and my mother to Mearnskirk Hospital to visit my tubercular sister.
I’m interrupted. How’s it goin’, May? Long time, no? I peel my eye off the viewfinder to find a short, balding wee guy, brother of an old acquaintance. I’m offshore these days, he tells me without prompting, dumping two airport tagged bags as evidence. Waiting on her picking me up. He points to a new car park opposite. This is southside Glasgow where, if you hang around long enough you’ll be on first name terms with most of the population.
We chat. He tells me about his work, his family, his home – a desirable suburb just outside of Glasgow’s council tax zone. I dish him the abridged version of my life, my work and over ten years of marriage. As we part I take his picture – he grins like a kid on holiday – which he is, really, in spite of being a forty something man with twenty something kids – and we go our own ways.
The interruption throws me. Now I’m standing outside the Charles Rennie Mackintosh Scotland Street School. This stunning red sandstone building has a fairy castle aspect but stands in a wilderness. This is where my mother attended school in the early 1940s.
Somewhere in a family album is a class photograph. I remember picking out my mother from the rows of small, wan faces and boil-washed woollens. She’s tiny, her face impish, her smile reminding me of my own in my better moments. These days the school is a museum of education, owned by the city council, where parties of schoolchildren are bussed in to experience education from another era, slates and chalk and leather belts. It’s unlikely it will ever be a school again since so few children live locally. The new apartment blocks round these parts are aimed squarely at the young professional market.
I carry on to the corner of Shields Road and Scotland Street. But I hesitate. The M8 motorway cut a swathe through the western end of Scotland Street during the 70s. Sleads Street is long gone, along with Keyden Street, once home to Glasgow rockers, the Harveys, Alex and Leslie. Leslie was electrocuted by a live microphone during a Stone the Crows gig at Swansea’s Top Rank in 1972. Had he been a Beatle, no doubt the city would have erected a memorial.
Stanley Street survives, as does Middlesex Street and Portman Street, home to News International’s Scottish HQ and conspicuously heavy on security. Apart from Murdoch’s Scottish outpost, it’s mainly small businesses, light industrial warehouses and wholesalers flogging cheap imports. On the corner of Milnpark and Stanley Streets, the Stanley Bar is still trading. Above the door, a sign says ‘Happy Christmas’. It’s October.
Further down Milnpark Street, I’m drawn to Admiral Street. Here my father worked at Turner and Newall from the mid-50s to the 70s, one of the major companies involved in the asbestos business. It became Cape Insulation after being sold in the 80s, but with the bad rep attached to asbestos, it wasn’t long before the doors closed for good. These days the building has been split into a number of small business units. It’s almost but not wholly unimaginable that a company dealing in toxic substances could operate in a residential district today. Then again, the ICL/Stockline plastics factory explosion in Maryhill, killing 9 and injuring 37 people, is a recent reminder.
I head south down Stanley Street, abruptly cut off by the M8. On the left is the old Gray Dunn biscuit factory, now used as office and warehouse space. In 2002, we rented one of the floors as the production office for my film, Solid Air. At the time I told anyone who would listen that this was where, as a kid, I would stand outside the staff entrance looking hungry. On a good day I would score a square tin box filled with broken wafer biscuits. Gray, Dunn was eventually taken over by Rowntree, then Nestlé until, inevitably, the factory closed.
Opposite is the site of the Oxo factory, now operating as a private vet’s practice, presumably catering for guard dogs. A little further down are the remains of Our Lady and St. Margaret’s Primary School, built in 1910 by the architects Bruce and Hay, who built the Cooperative Buildings in Morrison Street, Tradeston. The striking feature of the building was the playground, built on the roof, four storeys up. Beside it, now almost completely demolished, is the church, now relocated to Portman Street and looking less of a place of worship than a warehouse. Glasgow is a city of gap site car parks, where every scrap of spare ground is given over to parking for profit. Even so, St Margaret’s has erected a sign pleading for drivers to make way for funerals. Looking at this shed, I wonder how much funeral business it attracts, given the apparent lack of custom from any live congregation.
How easily the past can be erased. Growing up in Kinning Park in the mid-1960s it was normal for entire streets to disappear in the space of days, so I have no illusions about the permanence of things. During my formative years, it was usual to see torn gables, split into variations of wallpapers, often with their fireplaces intact, clinging on, gravity-defying. Exposed, internal shelves housed everyday utensils: crockery and saucepans; a perpetual lung-clogging dust hung in the air, the reason I didn’t breathe normally until I was 7.
My first primary school, Lambhill Street, which I attended from 1964 to 66, no longer exists, apart from clues easily overlooked by anyone who never clung to its railings, crying to be released. Oddly, the site of the school stands on one of Harry Bell’s alignments – Crookston Castle to the Necropolis. All that remains today is the janitor’s house, more bijou and grander than I remembered, now converted into an office space for a PR firm. Behind it are assorted small ventures, notably a private nursery, handy for working parents. On my way down Scotland Street I pass three girls pushing prams, pram being derived from perambulator, a passing thought as I perambulate west.
On my way to Paisley Road West, a young guy stops to ask directions to a privately run media training school. Nick looks like he’s in his teens. I notice a disturbing hole in his forearm. He tells me his ambition is to become a sound engineer so I offer him some sound advice. On the Paisley Road I take more photographs – new, bland private tenements under construction, most of them pre-sold at a fixed price of £140,000, abandoned pubs, the elaborate insignia above what was once the Trustee Savings Bank, now operating as a bookies.
I arrive at the Angel Building at the Toll, where the Govan Road meets Paisley Road West. The angel’s official title is ‘Commerce and Industry’ and it’s a landmark I remember well from my childhood. This was the edge of my universe, where every Saturday I would go to the shops – Woolworths, Grants Furniture store, where my mother bought furniture on hire purchase. The Grand Ole Opry, once a disco in the 60s, the Birds and Bees, still survives.
Outside a bar I’m accosted by Mark, a dryliner from Newcastle. He’s up on a job at Silverburn, the new shopping centre in Pollok. Specialist stuff, he tells me. It’s around half past three and Mark’s been on the ale. He invites me in for a drink. I refuse. Then he asks for my phone number. I refuse.
I’m on my way to visit my only living uncle, who lives in an area once known as Plantation but now, for reasons unfathomable, is named Pacific Quay. My uncle lives opposite the new SMG and BBC Scotland buildings, buildings so curiously undesigned that Hunterston B and Cockenzie power stations could give them a run for their money on aesthetic merit.
The entire area has transformed in recent years, its derelict docks and warehousing parcelled off to private developers post the 1988 Garden Festival. As Billy Connolly once said of housing schemes, it’s ‘a desert with windaes’. A bridge, The Arc aka Squinty, was recently built to accommodate the employees of the two television companies and the nearby Science Museum and Imax cinema, an off-the-peg silver mound, the type of showpiece building every city seems to acquire these days, usually in the form of an art gallery, museum or some other so-called public space.
In this respect Pacific Quay is deeply old-fashioned; on the one hand its antecedents are Victorian, that by improvement, underwritten by public subsidy and private largesse, somehow the ills of Glasgow’s south-side citizens will be erased. On the other, Pacific Quay marks a return to the city’s mercantile past, since it represents commerce over industry, floated on debt and speculation. Its commodity these days is ‘experience’. In either case it’s the citizens who’ve been erased; here it’s possible to walk for miles and not pass another living soul. Aspirational yet undistinguished, it is the architectural equivalent of monologue, since it has no dialogue with the extant surroundings or its people. It loves the sound of its own voice. It is Sim City.
My uncle’s crumbling council house in McLean Square was burgled in March. He shows me where the robber entered via a glass door in the kitchen and tells me it took the local authority, Glasgow Housing Association, eight weeks to replace it. The robbers didn’t touch the DVD player or the television, he tells me, they know cheap stuff from Asda when they see it.
I fear for my uncle. In November 2006, his wife, my aunt, died of MRSA, contracted during a stay at the Southern General Hospital for a minor operation. He tells me his drinking has increased lately. Twice he has beaten cancer but he is not a well man. Desperately lonely, he lives on sixty-two pounds a week benefit, half of what he and my aunt lived on previously. He’s not entitled to rent or council tax rebate. Perhaps saddest of all is that he had to ask the staff at SMG not to park outside his house to make way for the hearse carrying his dead wife since the broadcaster underestimated the demand for parking and so clog the local streets with their vehicles. Meanwhile, a hundred yards away, the car park attached to the Science Museum lies empty due to the minimum two pound charge.
I had a letter, my uncle tells me, from a woman claiming my unhappiness started on the date of my wife’s death. The exact date. Of course, she was looking for money. Scam and profit motive seem to be the themes of the day. Like the mobile phone business I’d witnessed earlier, the act of actively scouring death notices, harvesting names and dates to extort money from the freshly bereaved is unconscionable in anybody’s book.
I walk with my uncle to The Grapes Bar on Paisley Road West where he works the occasional shift. The Grapes is one of several Rangers pubs in the area, close to Ibrox Stadium. He invites me in for a Coke. Inside a handful of customers prop up the bar; small grey men downing pints and bottles of Miller. The red, white and blue painted bar is filled with Rangers ephemera: framed autographed shirts and photographs. A large screen is permanently tuned to Sky Sports. The previous night the team had held Barcelona to a nil-nil draw at home. On TV, the announcer talks about the forthcoming Celtic-Benfica game. ‘Fenian cunts’ shouts a squat little man who turns from the screen to resume his anecdote about Jason throwing up on a banquette at some upmarket hotel. I drink my Coke and leave.
hello
it was good to see someone else from the little known sleads street! i was brought up in this street from 1956 till 1964. we lived at number 21 four closes down from you right opposite the factory your mum worked in. we were top floor room and kitchen family of 6. my younger brother andy, elder brother peter, sister priscilla and eldest alexander all lived here. do you remember the gallacher family from keyden street? or the frazers from sleads street? i always remember getting sent up to the butcher shop for an ashet pie on the tic till friday! ha ha.
and there was the wee corner shop across from the factory which never seemed to be open, and if you cut through the backs to keyden street, you could get a bundle of sticks for 3p for the fire and five woodbine. there was also a shop in this street where the couple who owened it, the wife always made a sucking sound with her mouth, my mum used to say it was because she like wine!
but what about across the road, where the chippy was my mum worked in there as well as gray dunns, there was a wee women behind the chippy who sold bags of whelks that you ate with a pin. my school was the our lady and st magarets in stanley street primary. there was a women there who would sell you liquorice and penny drinks from her bottom flat window, we used to all queue up and be late for school and the belt. !! that was a trip down memory lane.!!
trisha
Hi do u remember my mum her name was helen crawford she luved at 54 lambhill st top flat she was friends with a kathleen mcwatt
Hi Lynn
You don’t mention when your mum lived in Lambhill Street. Our family left KP in November 1966 when I was only 6. Sorry I can’t be more helpful!
Thanks Trish,
Glad somebody else remembers. It’s just a shame there’s very few photographs of the area during the 60s, because it was pretty grim before we left in 1966 to live in Pollok. Keyden Street had already been pulled down. I remember the shops in Scotland Street – the old Galbraiths supermarket at the corner of Stanley Street and the Beaton’s off-sales opposite where I used to take back empty Pale Ale bottles I found in the middens for the deposit! I also remember the woman who sold the penny drinks – she used empty sauce bottles and filled them with raspberry Cremola foam. Happy days…
Hi, interested in your comments about “Betty’s Brood” and your question, “Wonder if anybody saw any money?” It took the local kids about 6 months to make the film on a budget of around £300 from Glasgow city council, (the staff spent 3 times that amount trying to feed themselves over those 6 months whilst filming!) in fact one of the film’s credits reads, “Transport by Sommerfields trolley!) which is absolutely true – we pushed our equipment all around the Gorbals and outlying districts in the trolley. The film itself went on to win a score of awards, including the James Gray special award at the Edinburgh International film Festival, presented by Sean Connery, and various other Scandanavian film awards, though God knows they must have used sub-titles for that!
Anyway, the city council accepted £20,000 from Channel 4 for the film, on the grounds they had put up the £300, and with that kissed the cast and production crew goodbye. However, as the writer of the film, I threatened to sue, and in the end they handed over around £2000 to myself and the
cast for our efforts. Which, we all agreed, was “very big of them!
Hope that answers your question.
Tom.
Thanks for the answer, Tom, although I confess I’ve never seen Betty’s Brood. At the time, knowing how hard it is to get any film off the ground, I was just pleased to see someone make one in Glasgow. I recall talking to Diane Allison about it so I knew it had been sold on to C4, hence the question. What I didn’t know was how the council sought to profit from it or that the filmmakers had to threaten to sue. Not that I’m surprised.
cheers, May
Hi
Does the old St Margarets Church no longer exist. My great uncle James Gallacher made a model of the church, unfortunately it was destroyed during a house move by his son. I am currently compiling a family tree and was hoping to get a picture of the church and also to ask if there was any records salvaged. Any help you can offer would be appreciated. Thanks
Regards
Geraldine McNealey
My Grandparents and all the family weddings from1899 onwards took place in St.Margarets . I know it no longer exists. Such a shame. E. McLaughlin. We lived in Scotland Street and went to St Margarets school.
Hi Geraldine,
Thanks for writing.
I was in Stanley Street only last week and can confirm that St Margaret’s is fenced off and about to be demolished. Very sad to see. The other St Margaret’s is still round the corner in Portman Street. They might be able to help you with records for your family tree. If you can bear with me, I can search through my photographs to see if I can find a picture for you.
all the best,
May
HI
Thanks for the info. I cant find a tele number for the church. Do you know if there was a catholic school next to St Margaret’s Church. I have tried the Mitchell Library and the Archdiocese of Glasgow. Thanks for your help
Regards
Geraldine
Hi Geraldine,
Sorry to hear you’ve had no luck in finding a phone number for Our Lady and St Margaret’s in Portman Street. I tried to find the number myself with the same result, though I’m sure they must have a contact number. I’d have thought the Archdiocese would be able to help. I also found some photos of both churches and the school, so if you email me direct –
may@elementalfilms.co.uk
– I’ll pass them on.
As regards the Stanley Street St Margaret’s chapel, there was indeed a school next door, also St Margaret’s (or St Margaret Mary’s, I seem to recall) which now operates as offices for refugees to Glasgow.
Hope that helps.
Best wishes,
May
betty’s brood
i remember when i was about 5 or 6 i was in the unemployed centre i had to walk intp a toilet and see a drug addict slumped over and i had to run back out. at this tender age i felt really uncomforable doing this but after life experiences i could play a really good part in this film now i wish i done it back then i remember it like it was yesterdy
i would love to see it
does anyone know if you can?
yes this is great about kinningpark newals @cape imyself worked in 1960 to 1968in this company have you got enymore like this in photos sussex st. tower st.please get back urgent tommy mc gowan late of 20 sussex st the pen kinningpak glasgow imyself was born in this address 15/8/1945please help remember the big church fire corner of paisley rd west @sussexst in 1954loking for photos of the above streets can eny one help thanking you please get back urgent
Hello Thomas,
Let me have a look through the files to see what photos I’ve got – please bear with me though – I’ve got almost 5000 shots of Glasgow, but quite a few of them are of various streets in Kinning Park. I should add that all my shots were taken in the last couple of years. Having lived there in the 1960s, it’s strange to see the area now. The M8 pretty much destroyed everything south of Scotland Street, but some traces are still there.
I don’t know where you are, Thomas, but if you’re in Glasgow, you can always try the Glasgow Room at the Mitchell Library for old photographs of the area. They also keep all the newspapers going back decades so maybe there’s a shot of the 1954 church fire you described.
all the best,
May
Hi, I read with interest you little trip down memory lane and the streets of Kinning Park. For some reason i’ve been feeling very nostalgic about growing up in Kinning Park – although my memories aren’t as good as yours as we left in ’72 when I was 4!
We lived at 11. Slead Street. I remember Jebb Bros paper merchart was at the end of our street, my gran lived through the backs and over the fences on Cowie Street and we went to the baths on Scotland St where the guy who watched you swim was called Peter and he had a limp.
When I went into town with my mum, we went to Shields Rd station and I was mesmerised by the doorway on the whisky bond across the road from it. It had 2 big lions either side and a pelican like bird with a snake in it’s mouth above the door.
There was a wee playpark – I think at the corner of Milnpark St where we often went to play.
Me being the youngest – I didn’t go to school in Kinning Park but my 2 older brothers and older sister went to the newer St Margarets on Admiral Street.
My mum and dad were married in St Margaret’s and my memories of the church are very vague.
My dad’s name is John O’Donnell and he was born in 1941 and grew up with his gradparents in Cowie Street. He went to St Margaret’s primary. He’s still in contact with his old school chum Veronica Fitspartick as she was best friends with my mum who came over from ireland in 1956.
Thanks for the memories Ax
Thanks Audrey, for sharing your memories of Sleads Street. We lived on the top floor of number 13 – a room and kitchen, no toilet, apart from the one on the landing we shared with the Dunnachies next door.
I remember the baths too – in Scotland Street, where one time I got sent for a bath and recall a fearsome woman handing me a cake of carbolic soap. I never liked the swimming baths much – a guy threw me in the deep end – I must have been about 4 or 5 and to this day I still can’t swim. In many ways it felt like you were living in the 1930s, yet it was the 60s. I also remember the wee swing park at the corner of Milnpark and Stanley Streets. And Slater and Rogers whisky bond – I used to play in there – there was a railway line that carried crates of bottles direct to the building. I was always tempted to steal a bottle or two to give to my Dad, but never did.
We moved to Pollok in 1966 – November 17th. I was seven years old. By then Keyden Street had pretty much been demolished so it was only a matter of time before the rest came down too.
all the best,
May
May, it was amazing to read your comment. My maternal grandmother Annie Carlin lived at and was married from 13 Sleads Street. She lived with her aunt, Margaret Dunnachie, because her own mother died when she was a baby. Margaret Dunnachie’s oldest child Jane, known as Jeannie, was still living there till her death in 1971 aged 91. I visited her often and remember the close very well. Do you or any of your family remember her? I have many memories of Kinning Park. I lived in Milnpark Street for a while but my family on both sides lived in West Scotland Street and Seaward Street (previously St Jame street.) Many of them worked in Gray Dunns and they all attended Our Lady and St Margaret’s Primary. I have been gdoing my family tree this past year and the memories have all come flooding back.
Hi Annette,
i read your comment regarding your family links to the Dunnachie family from Slead Street.
I am Robert Dunnachie’s son….and my grandmother was margaret.
could you email me to discuss family? I am building a family tree and would appreciate it if you could shed some light for me.
Many thanks
Liam Dunnachie
I hope Annette gets back to you Liam – I don’t know if you have her email – if not I can ask her for it.
Cheers, May
Hello Liam
You now have my email address. I have done the whole family tree which includes the Dunnachies. I would be happy for you tom get in touch with me.
Thanks for your comment, Annette. It strikes me that we’re the last generation to know the old (pre-M8) Kinning Park. One of my first memories as a baby was Jeannie feeding me mashed potatoes and milk through the bars of my cot in our kitchen at no 13. She used to babysit me quite often, since my sister was in Mearnskirk with TB at the time. After we left KP, I used to visit Jeannie to pay the menage my mammy kept up. I also recall for a while Robert lived on the first floor of the close and that Jimmy Dunnachie was our MP in Pollok. I also remember their sister Teresa as well. What a small world.
Good luck with the family tree – my sister has done ours, rattling all the old skeletons in the closet!
cheers, May
please get back urgent tommy mcgowanthis is the best site ive been on
I’ve sent a few emails since you last got in touch with me Tommy – still waiting to hear from you – if I can help I will.
All the best,
May
The memories of Kinning Park are still vivid in my memory even 43 years down the line.
We lived at 6 Plantation street very close to the South Rotunda.
Our home was a typical one bedroom and kitchen living area.
My mum, dad and a family of 5 lived in this wee small flat 2/1 would be the position.
I’ve often drawn a plan of the house for my kids to show them what we had to live in.
I along with my older brother and sister attended Our Lady & St Margarets.
I remember first attending the Small school then moving up to the BIG school further up the road.
I made my first communion and confirmation in the attached Church, where my mum and dad had been married some 11 years earlier.
In 1967 when I was 7 my dad died at a very young age, 41 years old, and my mum was left a widow my oldest sister was 10 my wee brother only six weeks old.
January ’68 and the gale took care of our gable end then in February we were dumped in Forest Hall hospital by the City council.
The tenement had become a target for copper , lead thieves and we were the last ones in the ‘close’.
My poor mum had no compensation either from the Insurance as the Gales were considered ‘an act of God’.
March 13th we got the keys to our new house in the Circus in Toryglen it was like a palace compared to what we had been living in.
Glad to say my mum got out of the Circus 12 years ago.
I often head up the PRW and get a pint in a couple of the pubs , just for my dads memory.
Needless to say The Grapes isn’t one of them. 🙂
Thanks Laurence,
Sorry it’s taken me a wee while to reply. Your memories of Kinning Park and Plantation are obviously very vivid to you. And I know how hard it is to try and describe life in a single end or room and kitchen. The weird thing is, we didn’t know we were deprived in any way – we just accepted our lot and were happy. Poverty is relative. Most families were maybe classed as the working poor but we usually had our grannies, aunties and uncles and cousins living round the corner and they gave us more than any amount of money is worth… They gave us their care and love.
What I find very sad is the loss of St Margaret’s chapel from its original site on Stanley Street. I always remember the beautiful carvings and angels. When I went back to the site in 2007-09, it was so sad to see the chapel being demolished bit by bit at the same time as they closed down the temporary chapel in Portman Street – an inevitable consequence of very few folks living in the area.
What’s weird is you describe my very own upbringing in Sleads Street off Scotland Street. Hard to believe that it’s only one or two generations down the line from the ‘worst slums in Europe’, as Glasgow was once described. I take great solace from the fact that Glasgow’s still the place I want to live in. I love the spirit of the people, which more than makes up for its faceless architecture…
Happy days,
May
I’ve been looking through various sites as I get older picking up memories of Kinning Park when I came across this one. I was born in the front room, top floor of 129 Sheilds Rd(corner of Ardgowan St) in 1947. I went to Our Lady & St Margarets (Primary) in Admiral St. (my brother was married in St Margarets chapel) I remember we used to go up to Gray Dunns where if you were lucky the women would give you a chunk of broken chocolate. We had great times there, Even though we moved to Pollok when I was 9 I can still feel the pull back to those happy times spent “jumping over the middens” in the back court. I can also remember the men who used to go round the backs singing for pennies. I know people think of the song, but my children look at me with strange stares when I tell them how we used to shout up for a “Piece” (in my case because my parents were both at work, I had to shout up to the next door neighbors – Mrs finlayson / Mrs Watson)(whose daughter Margaret was my first love.XX) then you would have to be a good catcher as the begged item came sailing down wrapped in newspaper… I would be grateful if anyone has any photographs of Sheilds Rd (the stretch between Scotland St & Paisley Rd West) and of St Margarets Primary. I would love to show my Grandchildren where I came from. I always think theres something missing when you can’t go back to your birthplace, especially when its been knocked down to build a motorway.
Thanks James,
Your last sentence says it all – something is missing when you lose your childhood home. I also remember the men who sang in the back courts – there was one guy who even played the dulcimer. I was quite the wee expert at extorting broken biscuits from the Gray Dunn factory!
For photos I suggest you check out
https://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/
or a good one is this –
https://urbanglasgow.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1597
Good luck!
May
May,
Thanks for the site. Its strange when you start thinking about a place and one memory starts another, we lived in the “Dunny” close, the corner closes had the washhouses in the basement and the stairs went up past the landings in a spiral (like a lighthouse) the railings were about an inch wide and when we left the house we would slide down the bannister from landing to landing (4 story’s high) frightening when you think of it. Couldn’t pay me to do it now!!(probably couldn’t even look over the side now!)at the other corner at Scotland street there was a church and next to it the Sailmakers factory. Above the sailmakers there was what was called the “high Back” the people who lived above the sailmakers had no access to the back green so they had a concrete back yard surrounded by a metal fence on the roof. My brother david fell through the roof windows whilst jumping from edge to edge on the roof with Ian Locke. Another thing which disgusts my daughters is when I tell them when I was with my pals if you found a piece of chewing gum on the pavement, you would say “the devil licked it and god blessed it, dont make me die” you would then chew it till it softened, spit out any grit then split it between your pals…. must have boosted the old immune system with that blessing, cause we’re still here!
Hi
I was up in Glasgow last week and I visited the Ibrox Library, there is a book in there, kept under the counter, you cannot rent it out but you can view it, it is called Kinning Park Revisted, it has loads of pictures in it and history of Kinning Park there was even a picture of my nephew in it which I was happy to see, pictures of inside of the old our lady and st, margarets church, the school too even the same school that was before the one we know, which I never knew about from 1875 also kinning park subway the way it used to be when it was being built, and many more stuff.
Julia
Thanks for that Julia – I’ll have to check out the book at Ibrox Library,
cheers,
May
I was born in kp. Seaward still in 1944 could tell lots. Just learning computer. Love to get in touch with similar. Went to Our Lady and St Margarets until 1956. Great time in life. Hope this communicates with someone. Michael McAree.
Lovely reading, I don’t think good people left these shores for anything better than a new way of life.
Hi Michael,
Thanks for your comments. As you can see from the others, there’s a lot of interest in the old KP. Can I point you to a forum? If you go to this link then you’ll see comments posted by others with a KP connection. You might even know some of them.
https://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/lofiversion/index.php/t7904.html
Thanks for looking at my blog. Glad if you enjoy it.
May
My family all still live in plantation square. Probably know your family
Thanks Jackie,
You could be right. My uncle lives in McLean Square but the rest have scattered, as most families did.
All the best,
May
I lived at number 7 Plantation street, I was born
In 1961, my mum and sister both went to
Lambhill school, ironically my mum is in the old school (Lambhill) care home
Hi. Did you know the Dunlop family at no. 68 or the Millars at no. 100 plantation Street?
I read your text with great interest. I was born in 1960 and lived the first eleven and a half years of my life at 162 MacLean Street, yards from the Grapes Bar. It was a very working-class area, great community spirit but you were glad to get away to a more decent style of living (we left for Pollokshields). The News International building in Portman Street was where my late father worked when it was Convoys’ warehouse.
Thanks William – I know McLean Street very well – my uncle worked at the Grapes. I know what you mean about the community spirit of the area. When our family moved to Pollok in 1966 it was something of a miracle to finally have a bathroom and a decent kitchen. The community spirit took a long time to arrive when so many families had moved there from other places, away from what they were familiar with.
I appreciate you taking the time to read my blog,
All the best,
May
Went to Rutland cres school1947/then lambhill st 1954/57.lived in. 13 Mair st.remember a boy called Hogg. During this period ,,,my uncle Robert miller lived in Maclean st,I moved to London in 1960,started going back to Glasgow to trace family.ie August coming,alas most of kinging Park/plantation is gone.stayed at hotel where my home once stood,
Thanks for the comment. Yes, Plantation and Kinning Park are unrecognisable these days to anyone who grew up there. My late uncle lived in McLean Square in a house that replaced the original tenements. I hope you manage to trace your family.
All the best,
May
What wonderful memories this brought back. I also went to Lambhill St Primary, from1962. I lived in Portman St. Thanks for the memories!
Sandie
Thanks for reading the blog, Sandie – glad you enjoyed it!
All the best,
May
With reference to the Harvey’s Alex and Lesley when I knew them they lived in Durham street. Lesley joined the 131 Life Boys, my father was the leader in charge and he formed a skiffle group with an 8 year old Lesley on guitar. Later they became the Kinning Park ramblers, then Lesley formed Stone the crows. Lesley along with Maggie Bell and other members of the band would turn up regularly at his Mothers house in Durham street. Alex who lived 2 closes along was seldom there so his first son young Alex lived in the grannies house.
Hi John,
Thanks for writing. That’s a great piece of KP history. I had no idea of the connection with Lesley and the Life Boys! I guess this must have been in the late 50s/early 60s? I still think Alex Harvey had one of the greatest R&B voices in the business. I remember seeing the SAHB play live at the Apollo (or was it Green’s?) in nineteen-canteen!
May
Hi May, i am wondering if you have time to chat about th Dunnachie’s from Slead street?
I am Margaret Dunnachie’s grand son, my father was Robert.
I am doing my family tree and would love to chat to someone who knew my family.
Many thanks
Liam Dunnachie
Hi Liam,
I knew your father, his siblings, Jimmy and Teresa and your grandmother, Mary who used to babysit me when we lived next door to each other on the top floor of 13 Sleads Street. I’m not sure what I can tell you but contact me at Elemental Films and ask me anything. Can’t guarantee I can answer though – I was a wee girl when I knew them – but I’ll try!
Cheers, May
Hi John – I can’t believe I didn’t reply to your comment so apologies. That is a rare piece of history you’ve recalled. I always thought the Harveys lived in Keyden Street.
Best wishes, May x
your blog is fascinating. i lived in mclellan street went to lambhill street school from 1963
live in the south west now.
good reading
Hi Yvonne
Thanks for reading my blog and for your kind comments – Yvonne’s my sister’s name – coincidence! – I was at Lambhill roughly the same time. I started at Lambhill Primary in 1964 – the main building, not the annexe – our family moved from KP in 1966 to Pollok.
Best wishes,
May
Cleverly written and no assumption or criticism made,I really enjoyed the whole presentation of your article.I was pleased with your mention of Plantation and Kinning Park being different districts as there is sometimes a wee bit of confusinon about this.About myself,I’m 86 years old born I Merryland Street,Govan 1935,Portman Street,KP1935-1940,Plantation Street 1940-1958. Retired 2000. Just like to thank you for stirring fond memories.
Thanks Michael – I appreciate you taking the time to read my post. I’m pleased if you enjoyed it. I still have vivid memories of growing up in Kinning Park,
Best wishes,
May
Hi Michael. Did you know the Dunlop family at 68 Plantation Street or the Millars at 100?
This brings back memories. I was born in my Aunts house (tenement), in Cambuslang. My parents first house was a single end in Parliamentary Road. Mum,Dad, me and my brother. The four of us slept in a bed recess. After a year we moved up in the world. A room and kitchen, just round the corner. Outside toilet,of course, shared with neighbours. A nail in the wall holding squares of newspaper to be used as toilet paper. Happy days.
Hi Danny,
Thanks for reading my post. Your own upbringing sounds very similar to me, a single end then a room and kitchen. 13 of us shared a toilet on the half-landing where our neighbour, Mrs Dunnachie used to hang the squares from the Evening Times and Evening Citizen using a piece of string and a nail! The things folk had to put up with beggars belief!
May, I can relate so much to your story even though we are from different continents. What I love about what you have written is you have captured a time that no longer exists. It’s so important to keep this era alive, to keep the people alive, the businesses, the way of life. It’s how we were shaped as people and as a society. Some good some bad but all important.
I find your life to have been full of struggles and loss. I also see it full of love and pride of where you grew up. Thank you for sharing. I am still greatly moved by your movie about your dad Solid Air.
Hi Cindy,
Thanks very much for reading the post, much appreciated. The older I get, the more I become aware of the importance of documenting these things. Having witnessed the loss of entire districts as a small child has affected me deeply and feeds into my work. There’s a lovely but rather sad book, The City that Disappeared about the loss of many beautiful buildings in Glasgow. I’m thinking about making a film based on it. And thanks for your lovely comments about Solid Air. It was a hard film to make in many ways, but it was a story I needed to tell and a world-wide issue.
All the best,
Mx
Thanks for your visual picture! My name is Dunnachie… my grandmother lived top floor,I think…. And granny McGuinness was ground… I love reading things like this.. I was a small child I Kinningpark… and my fathers aunt jeanie was known by many… my great grandmother was the first registered midwife in the district and I’ve been told her name and midwife was painted on close to help folk find her… I never met any of them ans have been building a family tree… only wish I could see pictures of the street etc… thank you for sharing your experiences.. loved it!
And if there is a book in the offings… let me know.
We messaged some time ago.. you were a child and knew my family.. Would love to see a movie!!